Henry's Blog

The Philosopher’s Stone

With

Joseph Farrell

Part Four

 

Jay Weidner:  Hi I’m Jay Weidner. Check out our great series of DVDs at www.sacredmysteries.com. Sacred Mysteries is a mystery school for the modern age. If you are interested alchemy, astrology, sound healing, the light body, the sacred feminine, 2012, life after death and many other subjects you can find a DVD at www.sacredmysteries.com that will inform you better than any other source. Where else can you find videos with people such as Alberto Villoldo, Alex Grey, Jonathan Goldman, Nicky Scully, Rick Levine, Sharron Rose, Jay Weidner, Gregg Braden, Neale Donald Walsch and many others? 

They moved their operation to the mountains of the spine of lower Andes. Looks like they bought a lot of land on both sides of the Andes, both in Chile and in Argentina. What did they do when they finally got going again?

Joseph:  The activity of this postwar Nazi international is really quite extensive, Jay. If you view it in a certain way, and put all of the Nazi activity together, they certainly were involved in the CIA overthrow of King Farouk in Egypt, and the installation of Gamal Abdel Nasser into power in that country.

They were involved in training Egyptian and Syrian Intelligence. They were certainly involved in various radical Muslim cells, both during and after the war.

They were certainly involved in international terrorist activity. You have, of course, their continuation of some of their top secret research, represented by the bell project.

You have, of course, the now infamous and well?known deal that was made between Allan Dulles, who was at the time the OSS station chief in Zurich, Switzerland and the head of German military intelligence on the eastern front.

Which basically and effectively meant that when the CIA was finally signed into law by President Truman, that its entire Soviet desk, it's operational Soviet desk, inside of eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, was nothing but a front for a house of Nazi spies.

So the activity of this postwar Nazi international. I do want to stress for people, that this organization has a command structure. It is well financed.

It has deep penetration into American and Canadian intelligence, into the American military?industrial complex, of course. It has the well known penetration and influence inside of NASA during the space program in the 50's and 60's.

So the activity of this organization is very expensive. You mentioned one other thing that I want to mention. And that's the considerable land that Nazi's bought in Latin America. All over Latin America, really. But you mentioned Argentina and Chile in particular.

And in Argentina, there is a compound that I talk about in The Nazi International, called the Esconcia. Which is an area of roughly 100 square miles. In other words, we're talking about an area almost the size of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

This was all bought by the Nazi's during the war. And the compound itself, to gain access to it, you had to go through SS security, you had to present military passes to enter it.

And the reason why is that this was strongly rumored, and in fact Argentinean intelligence even stated in its documents, that Bohrman himself was in this compound, during the time that this postwar Nazi bell project is being worked on in Argentina.

So we are talking about a very, very expensive and active organization.

Jay:  Oh yeah. I have a feeling that there's an ulterior motive here, and I think that one of the things that may be going on, is that a group of people became alarmed by some of the things that were being found in these texts.

Joseph:  Yes.

Jay:  And what they became alarmed about was a potential... some kind of catastrophe that actually wipes out literally everything on Earth, believe it or not. Which I have clearly found, in these texts. And that this group of people began funding this operation as an escape hatch. Just in case things got hairy, down here on the ground.

And because of the nature of what they discovered, which is this gigantic coronal mass ejection, which we now know, pretty much, the Earth caught fire several times now. The thing is, is that even underground shelters, I don't know if that would help, or save you, when all the oxygen is sucked up. So, I don't know. I think that it was just a plan.

And that they developed these UFOs themselves. I think the UFOs were developed down there. And you can see there's a steady evolution in UFOs.

Joseph:  Yes.

Jay:  They go from kind of cranky to sleek, just like the cars did.

Joseph:  Right, right.

Jay:  We used to laugh about how you could actually watch the evolution of these things. That connected with the South American thing nails a lot of mysteries. Have you ever heard of the rumor that Fulconelli and Marconi both escaped to South America?

Joseph:  Oh yes, oh yes, I certainly have.

Jay:  Yes. And also, there's the guy who was a friend of Schwaller de Lubicz disappeared, he was a prince. He disappeared, and then he was found, and he was living in Tierra del Fuego.

Joseph:  Oh my. [laughs]

Jay:  Yeah. And he was an alchemist. And he said that the school of Alchemy had been moved from the Pyrenees to the Andes right after the war.

Joseph:  Oh wow. Wow.

Jay:  Pretty interesting stuff.

Joseph:  It's interesting that you mention that possibility of the knowledge of a possible catastrophe. I personally don't read the texts that way myself.

However, if you grant that idea for the sake of argument, I think that there is this whole alternative free scenario that you keep bumping into. No matter whether or not the thing was an actual hoax, which it certainly was.

It certainly did cause people to scratch their heads and wonder, because it was so clearly dead on in some of its respects. The idea that there is some secret space program being coordinated between the United States and the Soviet Union.

In my book the SS Brotherhood of the Bell, I even point out that if you look at the launch schedules of lunar probes between the United States and the Soviet Union, it looks, when you put them side by side and compare them... you know, the Soviets would launch a series, and then they'd sort of stop.

And then we'd launch a series, and then we'd sort of stop. And then the Soviets would launch another series again. And this went back and forth.

So, while it looked to people at the time like there's this neck and neck space race, when you compare the launch schedules, it's almost as if each space program is one half of something much bigger.

And the only thing, Jay, that I can see in the historical record that would have the organization and that had the presence on the ground in those countries, in those space programs, to coordinate some sort of activity like that, and that had, moreover, the intelligence connections between those blocks, was precisely this postwar Nazi organization.

We may very well be looking at some sort of scenario as you outlined. That's a whole area of speculation in itself, that I think probably would require several more books.

Jay:  Oh my goodness. You have no idea. Where we're putting out literally a 10 hour video teaching series with Robert Lawlor. He's been spending twenty straight years now. He's the guy that translated Temple of Man, the huge volume. And he wrote the book on sacred geometry.

He's been spending twenty years now translating, and trying to understand, these texts. And the story they tell just... he's now reading all of your books, because he came and visited me, and then he left, went back to Tasmania, I gave him all your books. Now I have to buy all of your books again.

Joseph:  [laughs] Well thank you.

Jay:  He's put together these series of harmonics...

Joseph:  Yes?

Jay:  ... that keep reappearing in architecture. Interestingly enough, the place with the most number of these harmonics, and no one knows about this work, so when it comes out it's going to be really explosive, is actually Washington, D.C.

Joseph:  Oh.

Jay:  Which proves to both of us that whoever built that place knew something that they shouldn't have known, or seems almost impossible to know. Then you have to go to the next step, and say, oh my goodness, there must be somebody above them that is dictating something to them.

Joseph:  Right.

Jay:  And this gets really really into some strange areas. But quite real, actually, once you understand the truth.

Joseph:  Right.

Jay:  Anyway, I'd like to have you back.

Joseph:  Sure.

Jay:  Because you've really got the number on this. I don't think anybody has, and you've got the street cred, which a lot of people in this biz don't have. And I think that gives you the right kind of voice for this kind of material. Which seems strange to people, but once you understand this torsion physics, it just all begins to really fall into place.

Joseph:  It sure does, it sure does. It's just breathtaking.

Jay:  It is. And then you see what's going on in the world and you realize that they're monkeying around with things that they don't understand.

Joseph:  Yes.

Jay:  And it's going to get really bad if something doesn't happen.

Joseph:  The Large Hadron Collider comes to mind. In terms of this torsion physics, I think when they turned that thing on, and turned it off, I think we've been fed a cover story as to what happened.

Jay:  Oh really? What do you think happened?

Joseph:  Well, again, if you look at that collider, you're dealing with two extremely large counter?rotating magnetic fields, that are used to accelerate these particles. And as far as I know, these are actually stacked, one on top of the other.

And this is precisely the internal configuration that I argue that was inside the Nazi bell device. So I suspect that what they found was this extreme torsion shear effect. According to the standard models of physics torsion is such a small thing that most physicists tend to dismiss or discount it. I think they may have got something like that out of the collider.

Jay:  Mm. Oh my goodness. I really would like to talk about that. Well, I'll be emailing you, and we'll set up something really soon, because I think I'm going to get a lot of emails about this one. If you want to tell them where to go to your site, quickly here, so that they can get your books and things.

Joseph:  Well, the best place to get the books, of course, would be Amazon.com. My website's www.gizadeathstar.com.

 

The Philosopher’s Stone

With

Joseph Farrell

Part Three

Jay Weidner:  Hi I’m Jay Weidner. Check out our great series of DVDs at www.sacredmysteries.com. Sacred Mysteries is a mystery school for the modern age. If you are interested alchemy, astrology, sound healing, the light body, the sacred feminine, 2012, life after death and many other subjects you can find a DVD at www.sacredmysteries.com that will inform you better than any other source. Where else can you find videos with people such as Alberto Villoldo, Alex Grey, Jonathan Goldman, Nicky Scully, Rick Levine, Sharron Rose, Jay Weidner, Gregg Braden, Neale Donald Walsch and many others?

The secret is out. Once you understand torsion physics, it opens up a whole new world for you. Ancient disciplines like Tai chi or yoga are actually exercises to cultivate the torsion field that goes around the human body.

So once you understand all this it all begins to make a lot of sense. You realize that we're all torsion fields, little packets of consciousness caught in the fabric of a fractal kind of a network exists, and possibly infinity in all directions, if I may.

Anyway, we're back to that. If you want to know more about that, you've got to study Joseph's work, and read all of his stuff, and everything. Anyway, that's actually the secret of alchemy, right here on the program.

So, let's get back to the philosopher's stone, and what the Nazi's did with all this knowledge that they gathered from ancient sources.

Joseph:  Well, I think basically Jay; I think it is summed up in this Bell Project. Like I say, the Bell Project it is clearly a torsion device. If you read all of my books, and see how the physics and the data points connect to each other, this is clearly what it was. It was a hyper dimensional technology, as it were.

I think, ultimately the aim for the Nazi's was to gain control. As I say, use it as a gateway technology that they could explore three different applications of that physics. Number one, again for the purposes of so?called 'pre?energy.' Then secondly as a field propulsion device, because torsion is such a key, crucial element.

Let me give you an example. The sun is nothing but a big, huge rotating ball of plasma. If you look at the standard models of physics, the sun is putting out not enough energy and certain specific particles that the standard Fermi Nuclear model of the sun predicts that it should.

So, this has always been a clue to some physicists that there is some other process. There is some other energy source at work in the sun.

The soviets, in particular Dr. Koserov in the Soviet Union, whom I talk about it at great lengths in the Philosopher's Stone, a famous astrophysicist, decided that what the sun was really doing by rotating this plasma, it was somehow taping into the very energy of space time itself.

So, if you look at the Nazi Bell device, the way I've rationalized it is that it is precisely a device that incorporates a plasma in counter rotating systems. So, in other words it was deliberately conceived by the Nazi's as a torsion physics device.

Now, the link to alchemy, which I find very interesting, is that alchemy, if you read the alchemical text, as you know, stresses over and over again, that one cannot perform any alchemical transmutation if it is not done at the right time.

So, in other words the alchemists were somehow aware that this whole universe is nothing but a system of rotation within systems of rotation, within systems of rotation, and so on and so forth.

The Nazi's, I think somehow when they rejected relativistic physics or so?called 'Jewish physics, 'what in reality that forced these Nazi's physicists to do, was to think utterly outside the box, which they did. What they came across was precisely this torsion based, or as I like to also call it this 'alchemical' physics.

Jay:  The physics of the future, actually.

Joseph:  The physics of the future, yes.

Jay:  Yeah. Everything is explained by it, and that's why it's so all encompassing. But to try to get it out has been difficult, to get people to understand how it works and why it is so important. So the Nazi's developed this stuff, and they then escaped with it, right?

Joseph:  Oh yes, that's the bad news. Like I say, the scenario that I've outlined in the books is that, basically, as the Nazi leadership, particularly Marin Bohrman and some of his close henchman, see is the war is lost.

What they really do, if you examine the record very carefully, is that the Allies and the Soviet Block get more or less an equal division of the spoils that he wants them to have.

So in other words, we get the creme de la creme of the rocket scientists. But the Soviet Union gets hundreds of middle echelon managers and technicians of the Nazi rocket project that allowed the Soviets to reconstruct the documentation to it.

The United States, as I outline, gets fissionable U?235. Enough to make an atom bomb, courtesy of Martin Bohrman, in some rather sneaky and typically Bohrman?esque cunning scheme at the end of the war.

So that, in a certain sense, our Manhattan project owes part of its success, certainly not all of it, but in my opinion part of it, to this infusion of Nazi enriched uranium into the project at the end of the war. The Soviets, on the other hand, manage to get one of the premiere Nazi scientists, who had developed various techniques of isotope enrichment.

What he's doing, Jay, is he's setting up both the western allied block and the Soviet eastern European block, in a kind of cold war stalemate. He's making sure that, by that stalemate, that his Nazi international and Europe have some sort of maneuvering room.

But the best science, the pinnacle of all this secret Nazi research, which is the bell project itself, he sees to it that it does not fall into American or British or Canadian hands. And he sees to it that it doesn't fall into Soviet hands.

He basically, more or less, evacuates the whole dang thing down to Argentina, where after the war you find this project being researched once again by one of the scientists that was involved with the bell project during the war.

He's working on exactly the same stuff, until Peron inadvertently spilled the beans at a press conference in 1951. So what the Nazis do is they have this chief scientist act like a complete fool so they can shut the project down and move it.

[laughter]

Jay:  I love that part. That's really funny. What a world. It is all Disneyland, though, folks. Believe me, they're all acting. Some are better actors than others. Our President is a good actor.

Anyway, we're going to be back, in a few minutes. We're listening to Joseph Farrell, his fascinating story about postwar Nazis in Argentina. We'll be right back, this is great stuff.

 

The Philosopher’s Stone

With

Joseph Farrell

Part Two

Jay Weidner:  Hi I’m Jay Weidner. Check out our great series of DVDs at www.sacredmysteries.com. Sacred Mysteries is a mystery school for the modern age. If you are interested alchemy, astrology, sound healing, the light body, the sacred feminine, 2012, life after death and many other subjects you can find a DVD at www.sacredmysteries.com that will inform you better than any other source. Where else can you find videos with people such as Alberto Villoldo, Alex Grey, Jonathan Goldman, Nicky Scully, Rick Levine, Sharron Rose, Jay Weidner, Gregg Braden, Neale Donald Walsch and many others?

We're here with Joseph Farrell and I don't want to waste much time in saying much more because he's great, I'll say one thing, and then I want you to talk about your book. Did you know where the Hindenberg was headed when it exploded over New Jersey?

Joseph:  No, I don't.

Jay:  It was headed on an aerial photographic mission of the eastern Andes.

Joseph:  Oh yes, yes. There was actually a project that was proposed in?between the wars by a German archeologist to use the other giant zeppelin that the Germans had ? the Goth zeppelin ? to go down there and do photo aerial reconnaissance of areas that he thought would be interesting to do archeological expeditions.

So yeah, that idea was something that was definitely current in Nazi Germany. I didn't know that the Hindenburg was ever considered for that, so that's very interesting.

Jay:  Yeah it was headed that way when it took off, actually, and it's very interesting, there are lots of other stories that go up and down the spine of the Andes, about all of this, and it just gets more curious as you investigate it. Peter Levenda has done some great work.

Joseph:  Yeah, I know peter.

Jay:  Ah Yeah, he's great. OK so, let's talk about ''The Philosopher's Stone'' and what the connection has to alchemy and to the Nazis and what they discovered.

Joseph:  Well, essentially in that book, Jay, there is a whole section of that book devoted to the Nazis in particular.

And the one thing that I want to stress about some of those thinkings that was behind the Nazi quest for some of this alchemical physics, is that one of Himmler's closest advisers ? so to speak his occult Guru ?

A fellow that they actually nicknamed ''Himmler's Rasputin'' was a man named Karl proposed in some of his writings as he was examining esoteric texts that the entire system of creation comes out of two counter?rotating systems, OK.

And I find that very interesting because in the physics literature of that period you have a fascination with certain physicists on the idea of torsion.

And the way I like to illustrate torsion to people who don't know what it is if you take a soda can and you empty the soda out of it, and then you ring it like a dishrag, what the can will do is it will spiral and fold and pleat and the ends of the can draw closer together.

Well that's what torsion does to the fabric of space and time. The other interesting thing about this man is that he believed that the physical medium itself, that space?time itself, was an information creating medium.

Now that is a fascinating idea, because number one: it goes back to this whole concept of the ether or the physical medium that you find in hermetic or alchemical texts all the way back to ancient Egypt.

OK, the whole idea of the Philosopher's stone, in other words, of this ability to transmute one thing into another, comes out of this idea that the physical medium itself IS the Philosopher's stone, and that it creates precisely by creating information, by creating differentiations within itself.

So alchemy in a certain sense approached from this physics approach, alchemy is a kind of process of reverse engineering any given things descent from a physical medium, so the Nazis when they are looking at all of this physics begin to create or toy with the idea that the physical medium is an information?creating medium.

Now I stress that, Jay, because it is not until the 1970s that you see writing in the open physics literature that begins to approach the fabric of spacetime in exactly that way as an information?creating medium.

And incidentally, it's the Soviets [laughs] that are the ones that kind of pick up on all this [laughs]. So it's a very complex story, but there are all these threads that connect to each other.

Jay:  Yeah. Well, it seems strange that the Soviets with that advanced torsion physics knowledge didn't take over the world. Of course, I actually think that what may be going on is maybe the Berlin Wall didn't fall. But I don't know.

Joseph:  [laughs]

Jay:  I'm not sure what's going on. There's a lot of chess playing going on right now.

Joseph:  Oh, yeah.

Jay:  This torsion physics, of course, is the key. And of course Fulcanelli warned that you never want the mundane to ever discover these secrets because they will blow up the world. So I wonder. I know they have it, and I know they're interested in it. I know they're interested probably in what you're doing. I know they're interested in what I'm doing.

This is the apple in the Garden of Eden. You're not allowed to talk about it, and you've been told not to touch the fruit from the tree of knowledge because the apple represents the torsion physics, the pentagram of seeds inside, and how life unfolds through this information condensation that occurs inside the core of this fractal field.

Once you understand it, you can see everything in a lot different light. But unfortunately they're using them for weapons now, which is something we should all be worried about because those weapons are wiry surges.

Joseph:  Well, yeah. [laughs] Like I say, it would make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker.

Jay:  Yeah, yeah. Well, those in the know, know!

[laughter]

Jay:  Anyway, we're going to be back. I'm Jay Weiner, and we're talking to Dr. Joseph Farrell. What's your website quickly?

Joseph:  www.gizadeathstar.com.

Jay:  Yes. That's where I'm at right now. OK. Gizadeathstar.com. That's where he is. Get his books. They will enlighten you. I'll be right back.

 

The Philosopher’s Stone

With

Joseph Farrell

Part One

Jay Weidner: Hi I’m Jay Weidner. Check out our great series of DVDs at www.sacredmysteries.com. Sacred Mysteries is a mystery school for the modern age. If you are interested alchemy, astrology, sound healing, the light body, the sacred feminine, 2012, life after death and many other subjects you can find a DVD at www.sacredmysteries.com that will inform you better than any other source. Where else can you find videos with people such as Alberto Villoldo, Alex Grey, Jonathan Goldman, Nicky Scully, Rick Levine, Sharron Rose, Jay Weidner, Gregg Braden, Neale Donald Walsch and many others?

I am here with Joseph Farrell. He's the real thing. He's not your fly?by?night wacko. He really has looked into this, and what he's discovered is really the key that unlocks so much. For the last two years, I've been going through the ancient purana texts from south India and what we're finding is just incredible.

Joseph:  Oh, yeah.

Jay:  I think that what you have found really does echo what the most ancient of our texts are saying, that we are a much older species than we think. That we come from something grander and kind of weirder even, than even we can imagine.

But what intrigues me more than that is this kind of "dumbing down" where no one can understand the essential physics behind both time and space. I think that is what I'd like to get with you eventually. Some day I'd like to have you back on to talk about the Giza death star because it's so incredible.

Joseph:  Sure.

Jay:  I'd like to start tonight with some of your recent research into the Nazis. It seems to be the whole thing was a cover for another operation that was going on under everyone's nose. This operation was more incredible than anything else. I wonder what you have to say about that.

Joseph:  I write about the Nazi's in five books, and I'm working on a sixth one right now in that series. To summarize in a nutshell what the scenario I layout is: First of all, I believe, and make a case, that Nazi Germany's atom bomb program, Jay, I think, probably was successful.

I think they may have actually detonated an atom bomb in October of 1944, fully eight months ahead of the Manhattan project.

Now this is important because the other component of the scenario that I lay out in these books is that at the end of the war, Martin Bohrman, who more or less is really in charge of the day?to?day running of Nazi Germany, managed to see to it that the Soviet Bloc and the Western Allied block got roughly an equal division of the spoils.

He set up a postwar organization, an organized, extraterritorial, Nazi state that was headquartered or based largely in South America. As a component of that scenario, and tying it in with your question here, is that the most highly classified secret weapons project in Nazi Germany, a project called the Bell.

Is something that Bormann saw to it that post?war Nazi international kept to itself, and continued to research and develop after the war? In fact, I make that case in a book called "The Nazi International."

Now the reason that project is so important, and going back to your question, is that this device was designed as a gateway technology, in my reading of the daftar to give the Nazi's access to three different things.

The first was to an energy technology, kind of a zero?point energy technology, that would more or less free Germany from dependence on foreign energy sources and therefore from dependence on, essentially, Anglo?America corporate elite.

The second thing they were pursuing with this technology is that they were interested in developing some sort of advanced field propulsion, or if you prefer, anti?gravity?type of technology.

And the third thing, of course, that they're after with this technology is that by attempting to directly engineer the local properties of space?time itself, which is exactly what they are trying to do with this device, if you weaponize that sort of physics, if you weaponize that sort of technology, you have a technology that would make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker.

Thus, truly, the ultimate planet?busting, doomsday weapon. That's another thing they are after. They classify this Bell project, actually, much higher than their atom bomb project, which, again, I argue was a successful project.

So, in terms of what the hidden agenda ? to answer your question ? really was, in terms of the Nazi party.

And what it was after during the second world war with all of it's SS?sponsored archaeological expedition and collecting ancient texts, and so?on and so?forth, was to reconstruct this very sophisticated, and if you prefer, alchemical physics, that seems to be indicated in these ancient texts.

I think this is exactly the hidden agenda that you find with the Nazis.

Jay:  I completely agree. In fact, there are so many trails that I took down in my research that ended up in South America, with Nazis, that I actually started getting worried after a while. And I wasn't studying Nazi weapons ? I was studying Alchemy.

Joseph:   Yeah, I know.

Jay:   It was going on and on, and I started getting kind of freaked out and then I remembered Jacques Vallee's books, one of them ? I can't remember which one ? talked about how many UFO sightings ? over half, I think, of all UFO sightings are in South America.

Joseph:  That's right.

Jay:  If you type Argentina or Chile with UFO into Google, my God, especially if you can speak Spanish, you'll get literally hundreds of thousands of UFO sightings over the last forty or fifty years.

Joseph:  Right.

Jay:  I think it's interesting because they transferred the project over to the Andes...

Joseph:  Yes.

Jay:  I don't know, I'm wondering if they are doing it underground because there are a lot of water rumors in Peru and Chili, Argentina and there are a lot of rumors in those mountains about.

Joseph:  Oh yes, I know.

Jay:  About towns.

Joseph:  About towns and about Nazis and so on and so forth. I think I don't really speculate any of that in my book.

However, I will do so here because in the Nazi International I outline this post war project that the Nazis that is going in Argentina which is very evident that they themselves shut it down after the world press began to focus on them and they moved them it elsewhere.

And, in my opinion, probably what happened was this Nazis because of their archeological expedition before the war had become familiar with this vast tunnel system that most people weren't aware of that exists throughout that Andes Mountain in South America.

And that they simply probably moved this progress in safer and more secure places, where they continue to search which I am fairly certain that they did. So yeah, I think your speculation is right on target.

Jay:  Well you read a book about the mysterious cross or something?

Joseph:  Yeah, I read that book.

Joseph:  Oh wow, I didn't know that.

Joseph:  Yeah, he took a mysterious trip across Southern France in 1940 after the victory and he stopped at Renne Le Chateau and he stopped at Montsegur. All the nice places that you'd stop if you're into certain kind of interests and he ended in the Hendaye and he opened up a train car and walked straight across the ondie Hendai.

And the rumors were he met someone there, had a long discussion and then he met Franco actually for talks.

I don't know it is just something, it is very strange and it all goes in with this purana texts, which says that there is going to be, well, I can only describe it but they actually didn't use these words I call the mother of coronal mass ejections that is predicted to happen at the end of the copa or a time period, which they say will happen in four hundred years,

And I can tell you that the people that are doing this know full well about this text and had noted for a long, long time... hundreds of years.

Joseph:  Yes, I would tend to agree with you. In fact, book called the "Blood for Stone" in fact show how period kind is making.

 

The Secret Founding of America

With Nicholas Hagger

Part Four

Jay Weidner:  We're back with Nicholas Hagger. Go to www.nicholashagger.co.uk to get his lengthy resume, his many, many, books and especially the book we're talking about tonight, but they all look actually, very good. Anyway, Nicholas, it's obvious to those of us who have actually studied American history that Lincoln was one of the few people during the Civil War who actually understood what was actually going on, and furthermore if you read his letters he's very worried about the future of the United States and he suggest that there is some force that's trying to do us in. It's quite incredible, Lincoln is truly an amazing man.

Nicholas:  Absolutely, Lincoln was a very great man and he blocked the attempt on Rothschilds' part to have a central bank in the North and defeated them in the South as well, and blocked an attempt by Southern jurisdiction of Freemasonry to cause mayhem in the North. That should have put an end to Freemasonry, or at least Freemasonry's hold in America, but in fact it didn't because five days after his victory, Lincoln was murdered by John Wilkes Booth who was a Knight of the Golden Circle ? one of Pike's knights who chivalrously rode around in the South, the South having retained the Elizabethan Agrarian values that Gosmo brought over with a separate set of values which is very much alive I think in conversation in the south, if not in practice, but Southerners very often look back to that, certainly in my experience.

Jay:  Oh yeah.

Nicholas:  Andrew Johnson then became president and he was a Freemason, and very soon Freemasonry was very strong again, just as though the Civil War hadn't happened from the Freemasons point of view. Pike was extremely powerful and in an 1889 letter he actually admitted the secret that was only told to the 31st, 32nd, and 33rd degree Freemasons that Lucifer is God, just to quote Pike's letter, I.E. the demiurge in Gnostic thought. A kind of God that's a subordinate God. One that's in charge of the world.

Jay:  A false God.

Nicholas:  Second tier, yes. According to Pike, Lucifer is the God of Freemasonry and the lower echelon told this: that once you get to a certain position then you are. Of course, in the English Freemasonry there are only three degrees, not 31st, 32nd, 33rd degrees, so this question doesn't really apply. There is, if you think about it, Lucifer, the world, the flesh, and the devil. Freemasons have, perhaps, a different perspective. Also, going back to Ancient Egypt and some of the ancient religions including Gnosticism. Perhaps seeing Lucifer as a representative of a Gnostic demiurge it may have as much to do with Manicheanism ? the Manichean religion or dualism between light and dark.

What I'm trying to say is by the end of the Civil War, Freemasonry was really strong again and so by the time we get to the 20th Century as you were saying earlier, yes, we've got a Freemasonic state. Just as in Washington's day the president is very often a Freemason. In my book I've listed all of the presidents who've been Masons. They don't include Eisenhower. They don't include Reagan who was an honorary Scottish Rite Mason but not really deeply involved.

It doesn't include the Bushes. They, as is well known, were affiliated to Skull and Bones at Yale. It was an offshoot of the German Illuminati established at Yale in 1833. The Bushes were inducted in 1948 and 1968. That doesn't really count as freemasonry and this is basically a college thing and all sorts of people do things at college that can be forgiven. This is really a college tradition, a very strong college tradition and I don't think it should be seen as being too Freemasonic.

The question arises, "What about President Obama?" and my information is that he's allegedly a 32nd degree Prince Hall Freemason and a member of the Royal Arch Masons and of the Knights Templars. So it's still strong. That's the point I'm making.

Jay:  And Bill Clinton was a mason.

Nicholas:  The Freemasonic state in our time has been interlocked with the syndicate, this network of families, dynastic network of ruling elite families. A syndicate is, in the dictionary, is a combination of individuals or commercial firms to promote some common interest. This group of families, common interest is commercial gain and creating a federal world gain, federalism comes through. The Freemasonic federalism was being applied to the world and United States of the world based on Freemasonic federalism in which the United States will just be on the same footing as all the other ingredients in the world so this is not US supremacy. This is the opposite of it, the US losing its supremacy.

There are two main families in this syndicate and, as is well known, and they're the Rothschilds who represent a commercial drive associated with their 19th Century financial dominance and support for imperialism. And the Rockefellers, their protegees who they started off by lending money to in the 19th Century and the Rockefellers grew and arguably grew more powerful than the Rothschilds.

And they, the Rockefellers, represent the commercial drive associated with their 20th Century acquisition of oil and shaping of events through revolutions. And these two families between them have been responsible for many of the major events in the 20th Century that we have difficulty in explaining.

For example, the Rockefellers were behind the Russian revolution. There were actually four Russian revolutions. It's the 1985 one of Trotsky's and that was Rockefeller backed. Trotsky was living on Rockefeller property before he went in. Kaminski's 1917 one which was Rothschild backed, Lenin's which was Rockefeller backed, and then Stalin's in 1923 which was Rockefeller backed. In fact, in 1925, Rockefellers backed Stalin by buying half the Soviet Union's oil on a regular basis in return for something for Stalin's five year plan. They also backed Hitler in the '30's, before the second World War, though various banks.

All of this is on the public record, and there's a lot of evidence to this effect. It's not just me saying it. The Soviet state was a Masonic state, which is interesting, run by the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite in Russia, called the Council of the Elders.

Incredibly, in 1964, there's evidence that Khrushchev was dismissed by David Rockefeller for failing to prevent the Chinese threat to Rockefeller's oil interests in China. The very fact that an American can go and dismiss the Russia president because of this Masonic structure is amazing. Of course, shortly afterwards, Rockefellers found oil off Vietnam and needed to unicide Vietnam to get the oil out, which took about ten years before there was a unicide Vietnam.

The best I mention, but there's another one, which is the New World Order, which links in and interlocks with what I've just been describing. The New World Order really began with Woodrow Wilson's reference to a new world in his 14 points speech in 1918. It was taken up later on by Nelson Rockefeller in the '60's and of course the Bushes in the 1990's at the time of the Gulf War.

What is the New World Order doing? Basically, trying to achieve a federal war based on pre Masonic federalism that's run to the convenience of the syndicate. In other words, they're busy trying to corner the world's resources, especially gas and oil, via network of oil and gas pipelines in western Asia, including the Caspian and Afghanistan and Iraq, with the trans?Afghan pipeline and the pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa, for example. After this all, to combine commercial activity with a Freemasonic united states of the world, that would obliterate all nation states, including the USA, and be federal.

Is that the only way? We'd like to conclude by saying, "No," because the idea of a world government is an excellent one if it's in the right hands, because war, disease, famine, could all be eliminated with the right planning, but in the wrong hands, where it's run by self interested elite who are thinking of their own profits, as happened in Russia, where all the gas and oil natural resources were bought up back in 1996 for one tenth of their market value by a combination of Chernomyrdin, the Russian political leader, and the Rockefeller banks, and others.

It should be possible to have a brilliant world run by, as it were, a good New World Order, which is a world state.

Jay:  With that in mind, we're going to have to stop for the night, but that's a great way to end it. I agree with you, there is a good New...

Nicholas:  Can I just watch out for my next book, "The World Government," which is on this, and also the sequel to the one we've been discussing, which is also on this very subject.

 

The Secret Founding of America

 With Nicholas Hagger

 Part Three

 

Jay Weidner:  If you want to get a great DVD on the secret history of the world check out our new film with John Lash called Sophia Returning: The Path to Planetary Tantra. Also when you go to www.sacredmysteries.com check out our other new film Infinity: The Ultimate Trip.

We're talking to Nicholas Hagger, go to his Website, www.nicholashagger.co.uk. This guy is incredible. I can't wait to read "The Syndicate" and "The Secret History of the West",,which I ordered today. Which sounds like a lot of fun to read and let's get back. There's something I really want to touch on, because I don't want to lose track of this one thing. Which is I think the most important discovery that you made. Which is this idea that the Freemasons, while paying lip service to state's rights here in the United States, actually always were the backers of federalism. Is that not true?

Nicholas:  Yes, Federalism came out of Anderson's Constitutions and of course, it went into the Constitution that Washington organized when he chaired the Constitutional Convention. So that may be Free Masonry's biggest impact on America. George Washington was both a Rosicrucian Mason and a Templar Mason, that was 1752 and 1768. He was also a Grand Master of the Templar founding lodge number 22 in Virginia by the time he was elected. The question really becomes now, to what extent was Freemasonry behind what happened with the Constitution? Or to what extent was Washington acting on his own? Without Freemasonry behind him. Was it deliberate on the part of Freemasonry? Or in fact, was there a Freemasonic coup on the 13 Colonies? If one wants to carry it far enough. Or was it just a course that Washington took, having found Federalism in Anderson's Constitutions? And thought, well this is a method I'll apply to the State Cross that I'm doing now.

In fact, the whole question of Washington coming out of obscurity and being President raises the question of whether he was the farmer as presented. In other words, Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus who, in 458 BC, reluctantly gave up his Roman plow to defeat the Aequians and then returned to his farm. Was Washington like that? A reluctant President? Or was he carrying out the instructions of Freemasonry to make a Federal system of the 13 Colonies and to front it.

One of the answers may be in the architectural symbolism in Washington DC, which is very Freemasonic. Washington, George Washington, choose a marshy swamp in 1790 and asked Pierre Charles L'Enfant, a Templar Mason, to design a new city. It was laid out around Freemasonic symbols; compass, square, ruler, pentagram, pentagon, octagon.

The whole question of the Capital as well. George Washington laid the foundation stone of the Capital in a Masonic ceremony in 1793 and of course, eventually had a Masonic funeral. So if you put all that together it could be, there is a case to argue, that Washington was acting in conjunction with Freemasonry and not just off his own back.

But by this time Freemasonry was now strong. Under the constitution the State was independent from the church. It was a secular State, with the State shuffling around as in a market place. The Great Awakening of the 1740's that thrust up Evangelical Protestantism, which had really overtaken the Catholics, the Anglicans and the Puritans as the early planting. But Freemasonry had secularized the State, through the Constitution.

So America now had a Freemasonic State, with a Free Masonic federal idea. Many of the officials of the State were Freemasons. For example, the offices of Presidents and Vice Presidents, both of whom are sworn in on a Masonic Bibles. State Governors. US Senators, and Congressmen. Military and Judiciary. So, it was a pretty Masonic State.

Jay:  It seems now in light of your findings that federalism was designed so that a small group of people could basically rule the country under the guise of a democracy or republic.

Nicholas:  It hasn't been conclusively proven but it's something that perhaps needs to be thought about. I think that the founding fathers were all very honorable and very upright men who generally thought that what they were doing was right. At that particular time land values were plunging, the fate of the economy was not good, and there could be economic arguments for what they were doing, but there is also the scenario that the Freemasonic lodges had got together and had had a kind of coup d'Ètat on the colonies and put this group of men to do their bidding, and in a way they were very upright and honorable men nevertheless there was this background ? this other dimension that was perhaps coloring their decisions.

Jay:  Yeah, and let's face it, the Freemasons had central organizing principals that other groups just didn't have. All you really need is that and you have a serious advantage over other groups that may not be as organized, and have certain principals, and I think that...

Nicholas:  They were very well organized, that's true, they were probably more organization in the lodges than anywhere else at that particular time.

Jay:  Yeah, and actually in the chaos of America today, they still may be the most organized because not many things are organized in this country right now, so it makes you wonder.

Nicholas:  It could well be. Freemasonry was behind the Civil War, and emerged stronger from the Civil War than before. In fact, it was defeated during the Civil War because Freemasonry was in the south under Pike. Lincoln opposed Freemasonry and was assassinated by Booth. In fact we need to refer to the Rothschilds here because they wanted a central bank during the Civil War and they funded both the North and the South, Lionel Rothschild who was based in London funded the North, and James Rothschild who was based in Paris funded the South.

Jay:  Isn't that nice?

Nicholas:  Together with Rothschilds', and Lincoln defeated them and blocked them and didn't allow them to have the central bank.

 

Secret Founding of America

With

Nicholas Hagger

Part Two

 

I'm Jay Weidner. Please go to our site www.sacredmysteries.com and check out all of our great DVD’s featured there. Everything from subjects on 2012, alchemy, healing and Qi-Gong.

We're talking to Nicholas Hagger. You can go to his web site at www.nicholashagger.co.uk. Check out his site. He's got a very dramatic resume and he's really a very good writer, too. I think I read the book in about six hours. I was completely dumbstruck.

So, they gained a political foothold early on, and by the Boston Tea Party, they had become organized and were getting ready to fight the British. Now there's one other thing I wanted to ask you. Weren't most of the people in the British military also Freemasons?Were not most of the soldiers and officers in the British military also Freemasons?

Nicholas:  Yes they were. There were different branches. In fact, there's a two page map in the book which shows all the various charts, which shows all the various branches of Freemasonry, and the British officers would have been English masons rather than the French Templars by and large, and there would be lodges in my understanding at the time of the Boston Tea Party which would be almost exclusively for Americans. Which would give them the secrecy and give them the means to meet and discuss private plans. There would be certain occasions where they would meet up with the British.

Jay:  All right, so you document very well the Freemasonic influences on the revolution. You also, I think you pretty much nail it that Benjamin Franklin actually knew Adam Weishaupt, right?

Nicholas:  Adam Weishaupt?

Jay:  Weishaupt? Yeah. The founder of the...

Nicholas:  Absolutely. In fact, the key figure is Franklin in all of this. Benjamin Franklin, the founding father.

Jay:  Yes, let's go into that.

Nicholas:  It was his contact with Adam Weishaupt which really brought the Great Seal to America. I think you have to see this in a slightly larger context. A very important book was written in 1723, "Anderson's Constitutions" which set down in writing the Grand Lodge system, which was federal, and that was in English Rosicrucian Freemasonry. So federalism was really a Freemasonic idea, and this isn't really widely understood. So Rosicrucianism grew out of Bacon's Rosy Cross. That was a branch of Freemasonry that was probably associated with the Rosicrucian Manifestos of 1614, which may have been written by Bacon. Bacon is a very important figure in Freemasonry. The founding father, Benjamin Franklin, became a British Rosicrucian freemason in 1731 and he went to London and stayed in England and France from I think it was about 1757 to 1762, and again from 1764 to 1775, and he sent Tom Paine to America and then returned to Philadelphia and printed Paine's "Common Sense" in January 1776, which brought America to the verge of independence.

But Franklin was involved in all freemasonry's branches, and just shortly afterwards on the first of May in 1776 the German Illuminate was founded by Adam Weishaupt as you were saying, and was funded by Mayor Amschel Rothschild, who was of course, the founder of the Rothschild Dynasty. Two months later, on the fourth of July, 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was read, Franklin Jefferson Adams, was appointed to design the great seal for the US As they cast around for ideas, and in December 1776 Franklin was sent to Paris to seek help for the commoners. He met the Illuminati and probably branched out himself. It hasn't been conclusively proven, but it may well be that he did.

He was shown the seal, the Illuminati seal, and which coincided with the founding of the Illuminati in May, and he returned with the idea of making the Illuminati seal the American seal. To discharge the obligation that he'd been given in July. And the Illuminati seal had a 13 layered pyramid with its capstone missing and the all seeing eye of Osiris and Sion. And 13 letters and "annuit coeptis" in Latin, which means "announcing the birth". Suggests the birth of a new Atlantis and the 13, perhaps suggesting the thirteenth of October, 1307, when Templarism was suppressed. Whenever 13 appears, on the Confederate flag as well, there's suggestion around.

So there were meetings, and eventually this seal was adopted as America's great seal in 1782. Meanwhile in 1777, Weishaupt had become a Freemason and he could see he was going to be suppressed in Bavaria, or sense that he was going to be suppressed, and emerged the Illuminati and Freemasonry in 1778. And so he hid the Illuminati within Freemasons.

That besides being an English Rosicrucian Freemason, and also a member of the Illuminati. Franklin was also a Templar Mason, he did a during the 1770's. And of course, George Washington was a Rosicrucian Mason in the 1783.

 

The Secret Founding of America

With Nicholas Hagger

Part One

 

Jay Weidner:  Hi I’m Jay Weidner and thanks for joining us. Ininity: The Ultimate Trip is now available at www.sacredmysteries.com as is our new three part Qi-Gong DVD series with pedram Shojai called The Alchemy of Qi Gong, which is really the most comprehensive series on the subject ever done. Also we have Terence’ McKenna’s last film The Alchemical Dream plus the two films from our 2012 series: 2012: The Odyssey and Timewave 2013. Lastly go to www.jayweidner.com and read all of my articles that are up there for free.

My guest is someone I have wanted to talk to for a long time. His name is Nicholas Hagger. You can go to www.nicholashagger.co.uk. He is a true intellectual scholar and has written so many books and his bio is so huge that I don't even know where to begin. What a great honor to be talking to you Nicholas Hagger, how are you?

Nicholas Hagger:  Very well thank you. Nice to be with you, Jay.

Jay:  Well, I tell you what, there's a lot of conspiracies running around these days and a lot of misinformation out there. When I got your book, "The Secret Founding of America" and I saw who you were I realized that for once I was going to be reading a historical book about the Freemasons that wasn't written by an amateur I was just so blown away by your book. It was incredible. Anyway, let's start at the beginning., because you start at the beginning, the beginning of America with the families that came here from England, the Pilgrims. It's fascinating how you show them evolving into places of power within America. So let's start there. Let's start at the beginning. So the Pilgrims, what happened?

Nicholas:  OK, with the planting. It's quite a story.

Jay:  It is.

Nicholas:  The first planters of a colony in America at one time thought to be the Separatists who arrived on the Mayflower in 1620, but in fact they were the Catholic Spanish who were first, who followed in the south and had their settlement in 1565 for French in Fort Caroline. But it's the first English speaking settlement, which is the one we're really interested in, was the Anglican one at Jamestown. Of course Jamestown was thought to be mythical until it was discovered by the archeologist Bill Kelso, who I got to know quite well. He discovered it in 1994. A bit like Schliemann discovering Troy. This voyage to Jamestown seems to be Anglican but it may actually have brought Freemasonry to the new world. This is what's not widely known.

The voyage was put together by Bartholomew Gosnold in Oxley Hall in Sussex England, which I actually owned for seven years. He funded the voyage through his wife's cousin. And recruited the settlers and the crew. Having done all the hard work he has told three weeks before they were due to leave in December of 1606, "well thanks very much for doing all that, but actually, politically we need a satellite with as special as the Prime Minister and so Admiral Newport's going to be in charge and you're number two." So that was the basis that the voyage happened on.

It had a bad start. It was freezing cold. There was snow. There was no wind for about six weeks. The three ships were becalmed off the English coast. One of those whom Gosnold has recruited, John Smith, complained about the delay. He was put in the hold under arrest with two others and he was nearly hanged actually when they reached Nebbish. So the settlers eventually reached the new World and they chose swampy Jamestown, the wrong place. Swamp fever rife and too many native Indians, Native Americans, within reach. They were soon under attack from the native Americans. Smith was let out of the hold to help defend the settlement.

Then disease took it's toll and malnutrition. Gosnold and twelve others died in 1607. Smith came through to eventually become leader. He left Virginia in for good in 1609. In 1624 he wrote an account of his time there, a general history, admitting that Gosnold was the voyage's prime mover. But talking up his own role in the settlement, so well in fact that it's Smith's statue that stands in Jamestown today, and not Gosnold's.

But there was something odd about the Jamestown settlement. There was different factions among the Jamestown settlers. There were arguments and fights and control issues. These have never been satisfactorily explained. There is some evidence that Smith was a Freemason, which would explain some of this factionalism. We need to digress really just to think about the origin of Freemasonry because of course it's very, very ancient. It goes back to what, 15th Century B.C. in Egypt?

Jay:  It does, yes.

Nicholas:  There are certainly 10th Century B.C. with the Templar Sullivan.

Jay:  Yes.

Nicholas:  I think the English Freemasonry was really founded by Sir Frances Bacon, the Elizabethan Courtier, in 1579 as an account for the philosophical secret society that would guard the secret knowledge of the ages, including the art of sexual knowledge, and to do Solomon's Temple and how to build things. What the ancients knew. Bacon didn't just make this up. He was a young man. He was working in France and he was working in Navarre. He got the symbolism from the Catalistic Jews, I think, in Navarre when he was in France. So this was not something that Bacon made up, this was a body of knowledge that he received.

Smith had links with Bacon, who happened actually to be Gosoald cousin. There's a pamphlet by George Tudhope, "Freemasonry Came To America With Captain John Smith in 1607." The very fact that that pamphlet's written suggests that there is a certain amount of evidence that Smith was a Freemason.

Bacon had a secret society, as I was saying just now, and this helped with a number of publications that promoted Protestantism and Imperialism against Catholic's fate. Bacon's secret society seems to have brought out Jake's account of his voyage, or certainly the illustrations. And the "King James Bible," and Sir Walter Raleigh's "History of the World," and Smith's own book, the 1624 one. Shakespeare's first "Polio," and Bacon's own "New Atlantis."

The interesting thing is the colophons, that's the ornamental decorations on the top of the pages and sometimes at the bottom of the pages at this particular time, are all similar. One of them was an AA design. AA stands for Athena, referring to Bacon's order of the Night's of the Helmet, which he founded in 1586.

So there are clues that Bacon was behind all of these publications, which were done presumably to promote British expansion at the time. So, among the Anglicans who founded Jamestown, and America, there may have been a Free Mason, Smith. Which may have brought Freemasonry to America early. But actually Freemasonry has another branch in French Templarism. Because when the Templars, who were founded in the 12th Century, I think it was 1118, Bernard to go and escort Pilgrims in the Middle East. The Templars expanded, and of course that had things to do with banking, was suppressed.

From the 13th of October in 1307 they were banned, and their leader, Damla, was burned at the stake in 1314 and the Templars opted off and they fled to Scotland and became Freemasonic. The Stewart Kings of Scotland became Templars, including James the Sixth of Scotland, who later become James the First in England in 1603. And of course, the name Jamestown comes from James' town. So, perhaps there was a Templar influence on that voyage brought by the King himself.

So from two angles you've got the Baconian Freemasonry, possibly Smith. And you've got the Templar Freemasonry via James the First stumbling into America at quiet an early age. Certainly the Templars were in America by 1720. Because the Stewart's were exiled to France, James the Second's son and his descendents. In 1746 the Scottish Right, which they brought from Scotland to France, went on to America.

So the Templars were well established by the time of the Boston Tea Party of 1773, when 200 Templar Masons disguised as Mohawk Indians, threw tea into Boston Harbor. So that was very much a Freemasonic act. Why did people become Freemasons at that time? I think it was a social dimension to it. I think you went along and had a chat with your friends.

But even more important than that there was a revolutionary dimension to it. If you wanted to get the British out, here was a golden opportunity to have meetings behind closed doors in the lodges, where the British wouldn't listen and you could ferment your plots there, like for example, the Boston Tea Party.

Jay:  Very interesting. And this organization of course, because it was organized, it gained a quick foothold politically here. We're talking to Nicholas Hagger. His incredible book, "The Secret Founding of America." You must read it. It is unbelievable.